Father-to-be (?) BIEBER to "focus on the positives"

Bieber

The only downside we see to this story is that, like his trip to the top of the charts, in fatherhood Justin Bieber has beaten us yet again. Assuming the story is true, we wish him all the joys parenthood can bring!

Lou Trosch on The Popes

Our friend Lou Trosch asked to include a memory from his days living with The Popes. What a shame there are no photos to go with this one --

If not too late here are my memories. First, this came after you all had moved on past "Hi We're the Popes" to a new creative phase. I'm thinking around 1990 and after. I used to come home and put Marylin or Charmless on the record player and you all Hated it.
Elderkin would always try the low-key "Yeah, whatever. That's great, Lou" while Steve would go to his room and slam the door. Finally, one day he came out and took the needle off the record and then took the record back to his room, again slamming the door. Henry, on the other hand, never tired of those songs. It's taken a lot of years for John and Steve to come around to Henry's way of thinking. Great songs are great songs and these are great songs.
My second memory is my stage appearance at the Cradle on "I am a truck." Greatest night of my life.

EDDIE HUFFMAN on THE POPES

NC writer Eddie Huffman sent us this great one. Thanks so much, Eddie.

Around 2004 and 2005 I was in a long-distance relationship with a woman who lived in southern New Hampshire. One cold winter night I flew up from Raleigh and she picked me up at the airport in Boston. As we headed north, I started scanning radio stations in her Mustang and stopped on a college station. (Even though, as Spinal Tap manager Ian Faith reminds us, Boston isn’t a big college town.) I think I finally ended up on the Emerson University station, but I wouldn’t swear to it.
Then came the Popes. Something off their first EP – “Marilyn” or “Charmless,” maybe, I forget. But it was the Popes. On the radio. Nearly 20 years after the record came out. I’m in love with Massachusetts. I’m in love with the radio on.
It floored me. I think I actually stopped to consider whether there was any chance I had put a CD in and just forgotten … though I probably hadn’t even digitized that EP yet. I fumbled for my cell phone and called my BFF Phil Collins back home in North Carolina, front man for Satellite Boyfriend, the band that (so I’m told) helped inspire the formation of the Popes.
“Boob!” (We call each other Boob, from a Barney-Gomer argument on an episode of “The Andy Griffith Show.”) “They’re playing the Popes! A college radio station in Boston is playing the Popes right now!”
Part of it was simply the shock of a relatively obscure North Carolina band getting props from a college DJ hundreds of miles away and more than a few years after the fact. But it wasn’t just any old North Carolina band – it was one of my favorite bands ever. It seems a little silly, but hearing the Popes on the air ca. 2005 is one of my favorite musical memories ever. Radio on!
From the word go I loved the Popes, for many of the same reasons I loved Satellite Boyfriend: clever lyrics, terrific hooks, a brilliant, twisted pop sensibility. They played with fire and drive in that barely post-punk era, but didn’t wallow in obscurity or pretentiousness. They just delivered the goods, song after song, show after show. They didn’t sound like anybody else, really, but seemed to distill the best parts of many of my favorite bands: Cheap Trick, the Kinks, the Who, the Beach Boys, the Turtles, the Replacements. They made a Smokey Robinson and the Miracles joke on the front cover of their first record, and they tossed off a funny, obscure Prince joke in the fine print on the back cover. (Repeated, in slight variation, by the Public Good a couple of decades later.)
Double bills with Satellite Boyfriend and the Popes were my favorite. Especially the show at the Cradle where the Popes opened (as I recall) with “Alicia in the Black Dress,” a Satellite Boyfriend song. I was standing backstage with two or three of the SB guys, and we all went running out front when we realized what they were playing.
I wrote a story about them for the Durham Herald-Sun. (Which I hope to scan and post online eventually, but I haven’t laid my hands on it yet.) I wore my Popes T-shirt for years, until I got too fat and/or it got too ragged. I think it was Cheryl Parker who told me my white Popes T with green lettering was one of the rare ones, which made it that much more special. I still cherish my copy of their “Afar” cassette, which I digitized years ago, along with my vinyl copy of “Hi, We’re the Popes.” Glenn Boothe gave me a CD of other Popes material awhile back, and I still hope to get all their material in one place eventually ... but life gets complicated.
Over the years everybody drifted apart, and I would only get sporadic news from Pope John and Pope Steve. I heard they were in Atlanta, and at some point I laid my hands on a copy of a Lucky Lads CD. I heard John had moved to England, though I don’t remember whether that was before or after Atlanta. Life rolled on. Phil finally gave up his dream of being a lifelong grad student, got married, became a lawyer, and spawned two funny, lively, beautiful daughters. I went through a horrible divorce that reminded me many times of the Popes song “No Possessions.” But eventually my two wonderful sons and I emerged from all that pain mostly intact, and one of them is now a professional musician himself.
Phil and I would continue to geek out over John and Steve’s music over the years, beyond my freakout over the radio surprise. I remember calling Phil another night in the late ’80s or early ’90s while watching the Monkees’ movie, “Head,” when it struck me how much Steve sounded like Mickey Dolenz. I’m not sure I’ve ever stood at the corner of Franklin and Columbia streets without thinking of the line “She bikes across Franklin” from “She’s You,” a song that has always felt to me a bit like a three-minute version of “The Graduate” set in Chapel Hill. And just as “Dazed and Confused” is the perfect time machine to carry me back to 1976, “The Cornerhouse” is the perfect time machine to take me back to, say, 1973. (I even had a best friend named Gray for awhile, though not till the late ’70s.)
At some point in the late 2000s I started hearing rumblings that Steve and John were making music again. They were living in D.C. and calling themselves the Public Good. I saw them play for the first time live at Glenn’s club in Chapel Hill, Local 506. This wasn’t the Popes, but it was something equally good. Another band making great power pop with terrific hooks and clever lyrics, worryiang about adult concerns like health insurance and imagining the girlfriends they’d have if they still had hair. Once again John and Steve were creating a soundtrack for my life, and doing it with charm, nerve, and self-deprecating humor.
The only disappointment to me was that they seemed so estranged from their Popes material. I heard John make defensive comments rejecting the past and insisting that the Public Good was making music as good as anything he and Steve had ever done. I agreed, but I was sad that he felt the need to pit one band against the other. At that 506 show, somebody yelled for a Popes song (“Charmless,” I think). John rolled his eyes and said something like, “Yeah, why don’t you come up here and show us what key it’s in.” His alienation from his own musical past reminded me of another John: John Fogerty, in his first decade or so post-Creedence, justifiably angry about getting screwed by his label and refusing to play any of the songs that made him famous. (Who could blame him at that point? He had to pay somebody else for the right to play his own songs.)
Turns out the Popes went through their own shit, one of the sad curses of the entertainment industry, and one that seems to catch up to everybody sooner or later. Phil and I met John for brunch in Alexandria one day back in May on our way home from a weekend trip to Philly, and Phil and John talked about all the ups and downs of being in bands, the disappointments, the management problems, all the crap that can come with being in a band, after awhile.
But they also talked about the perspective you get after a few decades, the ways you keep yourself engaged and moving forward as the years add up. There were some sad topics on the table that morning, but it was mostly a joyous reunion, full of laughter and good memories.
All of which makes me very happy to hear about the re-release of the Popes’ first EP, and glad to see that John and Steve are now embracing their past instead of rejecting it. They have a rich history that’s well worth celebrating, and a bright future ahead. Radio on!

CHRIS GARGES ON THE POPES

I was an avid music fan from an early age. I figured out in junior high school (on the bus, headed home from Piedmont Middle School one day,) that the possibility existed that I could make music for a living and from that moment on, I pursued every possible avenue towards that path. I became a fan of any "local" band that I could learn about at that age without having an older sibling to guide me towards REM or Let's Active or Pylon or any other slightly more mainstream bands starting to make the rounds the south in the mid-80s. I knew that I liked The Beatles and The Birds, and that "Destroyer" song that my DJ friend played non-stop on WIOS (Irwin Avenue Elementary School's closed-circuit radio station) led me to believe that I should someday investigate The Kinks. Even the guys in Van Halen were smart enough to like the Kinks! The Police and early U2 showed me the way to intelligent lyric writing and great hooks. Eventually stories from slightly older, great drummer friends at Piedmont and later West Charlotte High School about some older drummer named "Albert" showed me that leaving a mark on someone with your playing was a path to a legacy, even at an early age. (The late, great, long-time West Charlotte band director Marvin Davenport was always telling me stories about this fellow Albert-- the kind of stories I hoped he'd pass on about me in the years that followed.) Again, music was in my blood and I was ready to soak up anything, but it was the really special stuff that would make a deep impression.

My father is a CPA. A Certified Public Accountant. A math guy. He's a huge lover of music and an incredibly intelligent man. He's also a strong supporter of anything in which he believes. This all makes sense in retrospect, but he'll be the first to tell you that he does not have the specific music-creation gene, so I was baffled the day he came home from work with a record album for me, given to him by a co-worker. What's this? Some random album passed around the accounting firm? What are the chances that this is any good? But hey, I was soaking it up, so why not? 

I put the album on my turntable and there it was: The jangly guitars. And nice vocal harmonies right from the top. This has promise. Maybe a goofy rhyme at the beginning, but it's intriguing. Go on. What's next? Okay, now it gets serious. The rock starts. Game-On. Voice with a vibe. Energy. Pure rock that a 15 year-old could REALLY understand. And what powerful drumming. All there and smart, but not overbearing. It served the song. Moving bass, like Sting or Paul McCartney. Again, not too busy, but the kind of thing that really impresses an up-and-coming teen musician. And the intellingent, weaving guitars and vocals. And the sound! So crisp and clean. Thick, fat drums and perfectly-balanced guitars and bass. I gotta remember this producer guy John Plymale and engineer Steve Gronback at TGS Studios in Chapel Hill! Everything about it pulled me and and made me want to listen. Hey, what's this? Some studio trickery to get me into the next tune? Well, okay! I don't even know the words yet and I want to sing along.

The record my dad brought home was "Hi, We're The Popes!"

Thus, my love affair with The Popes began.

It took me a while to start to realize just how smart those songs were, but I certainly listened to them enough times to figure it out. More feathers for the caps those guys wore. Great hooks and SMART, SMART songs. The characters all resonated and the situations all made sense, even to someone who hadn't experienced much of that stuff. (I know it sounds cheesy, but years later, many of those lyrics would help me sympathize with friends going through some tough times.)

Throughout my high school years, I would find so many paths crossing with these guys, but always in the periphery. The drummer, "Albert," that I'd heard so much about over the years was Albert Nisbett, The Popes GUY! Guitarist/singer John Elderkin was friends with the older brother of one of my younger brother's good friends and John's step-dad worked with my dad (which is how the album got to my house). My friend Andy had an older brother whose band, The Fidgets, had played with The Popes a time or two. Every time I went into a local record store, I'd look through the racks for another Popes release. How lucky I was to run across the cassette of the "Afar" EP at The Record Exchange at Cotswold in Charlotte and I snatched it right up with my latest paycheck from the ice cream shop at Park Road shopping center. The kids I drove to school were subjected to both those EPs constantly. All my friends knew all the songs and talked about them for years following. When I went to college in Florida, I mouthed off about these guys at every opportunity and exposed my roommates to all the Popes material I had on a regular basis.

Through one of our mutual friends, I found out about the later Popes incarnations while I was in Miami. I finally got to talk to John Elderkin on the phone when his band with Steve Ruppenthal, Stumble, was looking for a drummer in NC and he was nice enough to send me a cassette of some recording they had done. I loved it! No surprise there. At one point, I was fortunate enough to go see Stumble at The World-Famous Milestone Club (where I would play my first gig with John and Steve in The Public Good some 16 years later), and I was knocked-out at getting to hear the familiar sounds and sheer rock put out by John, Steve, and drummer Jim Rumley. It was a sound I'd heard on recordings for so long and it was so familar and homey and ass-kicking. Like the first time I went to see The Police or Pink Floyd or Rush or Miles Davis. Kind of surreal to be in the same room with that sound.

"Hi, We're The Popes!" was a record that truly shaped me as a musician. There are few records I was exposed to in 1988 that I have listened to as frequently or as consistently as "Hi, We're The Popes!" "Hi, We're The Popes!" was the first record in my collection that I digitized when landing my first professional recording studio job in 1997. I still remember every word of every song (except the few mysterious lyrics and every good record has a few) and they still blow me away like they have every time I've heard it since the day my dad brought that record home. Thanks, guys, for sharing that music with so many people and thanks, Dad, for doing what you always did-- passing along some magic.

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

DO YOU THINK IT'S ALRIGHT... to share a post from Cousin Kevin?

I never saw the Popes.
Sure as hell wish I had.

Pope Steve is my cousin, and our families lived pretty far apart but usually exchanged gifts at Christmas, via the mails. Usually one of my cousins would pick out albums to send to me - which was awesome because I didn't have the advantage of older brothers with fine musical taste.  Anyway, for Christmas 1988... they sent me 2 LPs.  I have no idea what the first one was.  The other was something called Hi We're The Popes.  "Who?! Never heard of them!", a statement I now loath -- every piece of music you're listening to nowadays is music you'd once never heard of.
Looking at the cover and the names of the band members, it soon became clear why it had been sent. Those tunes on that record have been part of my life ever since.  I can still remember listening to it in my college dorm and can even picture the cassette insert I made for my tape. Hell, the record  even came to class with me. "Introduction to Digital Music" class assigned us the task of bringing in a song that had a very interesting opening. Mine was the transition from Charmless>Marilyn.  My reason for bringing it was to demonstrate the way Marilyn's opening line closes the tail end of Charmless all distorted, predicting the actual lead vocal.  That's just not the sort of studio work we're used to in the music of the time.

I never saw the Popes, though. Our paths never quite crossed for a number of reasons. In the pre-internet age it was extremely difficult to find information about where a band not in your general area might be playing. 

A lot of years later, two of the Popes resumed playing music together in The Public Good. I've been fiercely loyal to them - family is part of it, but even more important is wanting to document the journey. Because the music may not always be something we're always able to go out and hear played live. Taking photos, recording the gigs, it's a mission -- and it's never work.  Having never gotten to see The Popes, I cannot tell you how much joy TPG brought me earlier this month, because after 23 years I finally got to hear Charmless live.  It's moments like that, hearing music that moves you deeply, that make life worth living. 

It's immensely frustrating that more people haven't heard their music. To those of us who know them and their tunes, it's something special. Almost like being part of a club. Play these tunes for someone you know who loves music. Play them for someone who's "never heard of 'em" -- because anyone who doesn't know the music of The Popes or The Public Good is simply missing out.

Hi We're The Popes sees a long-awaited digital release Tuesday, October 18, 2011.

 

POPE JOHN RECALLS

"Hi, We're The Popes" will be digitally released this Tuesday, Oct. 18, on iTunes and elsewhere:

I don’t remember a lot about the making of “Hi, We’re The Popes,” but what I do remember goes as Henry recalls it. The amps were in a little room or even the hallway at Steve Gronback’s and we sat next to them. With no earplugs – idiots – and cranking it, we really hit a big, loud groove with Not Beautiful. I can’t remember if that was the first or last song we tried, but I know it was one we all nailed.

What I remember better is our ambitious plan to get that music out in the world. We somehow found addresses for everyone who might possibly be interested in hearing our record (it was vinyl although everyone told us to go with a disc) and mailed it out by the hundreds. We hit reviewers, radio stations, promoters, indie labels, managers we knew of, you name it. I’m pretty sure that Steve Balcom and Glenn Boothe were instrumental in getting us that contact info.

Also bucking advice, we mailed “Hi” to every college station in existence, even ones that didn’t play indie rock. People suggested that because this was a mom-and-pop kind of release, we should aim statewide or regionally and not bite off more than we could chew. That was never The Popes’ M.O., however.

And so we called the radio stations, got contact names, chatted with DJs, tried to speak directly to the music directors, then wrote personal letters to the recipients. Those letters took days to write, and I remember we all got together with friends at the Popes house and did that. We also stuffed return postcards in, asking people to let us know that the record arrived and if they had an opinion or plans for it.  In those days, especially with the little DIY magazines, the only other way to know if you’d been reviewed was to call and ask or subscribe and hope. Then we took carloads full of the packages to the post office and hoped for the best.

Next we worked to track any airplay and reviews. The band and friends, especially Martin Baucom, spent hours in the afternoon calling stations and publications and making notes about any responses. And I went by our Post Office box daily to check for any mail confirming interest. Even a single response was cause for celebration. Our box was just a few feet over from the Merge Records box, and I’d see Mac in there several times a week hauling out all kinds of mail and packages. I didn’t know Mac well, but we had worked together at Kinkos and I had a sense that he really knew what he was doing. He didn’t ask about The Popes, but I always assumed one day he’d find out how weird and ambitious we actually were and would be interested in working with us. At the time, I thought that would be an awkward predicament. I liked Mac a lot, but his label was tiny and obscure, and we were headed for the big time. Ahem.

None of us was prepared for the response we got. Jon Pareles of the New York Times sent us a letter (which I still have) saying the music was great and to get him an album when we make one. Billboard gave it a rave review. All kinds of small press wrote about us in glowing terms I could hardly believe. Bruce Warren, a writer for The Bob whom we admired, wrote that “They remind me of baseball cards and London Calling; of Batman and Tommy Keene; of 20 minutes of "Elizabeth Reed"; of my first band…" He got it!

Then the radio station reaction came in. On our first week of “official release” we hit #9 on the College Music Journal’s ‘hot new release chart.’ REM’s new record was #10. I remember Glenn Boothe being shocked by that. He hadn’t had WXYC vote for us because he didn’t realize we were doing a big push. I remember him feeling bad about that, wondering if he couldn’t have helped bumped us up a few notches. But trust me, we were thrilled with being #9.

We had a good run. We played CBGB and we played Lance’s Tip Top, we had sets that could stretch for hours and hours with original songs, we toured the south with a gigantic two-headed “double dong,” and we blew a pretty nice record deal with First Warning Records. I put my guitar away for many years after it all came crashing down, but I’ve picked it back up again. And I didn’t listen to “Hi” for about 15 years. But I have recently, and I was shocked at the energy blasting out of those songs. They rock. 

Pope Steve Remembers

Back then, as now, every band wanted to play the Cat’s Cradle. We finally did get in opening for one of Mac’s younger incarnations, the Slushpuppies on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving—obviously, the Cradle desperately needed an opening band as everyone was out of town, and we got lucky at the last minute. I was miffed that the Slushpuppies played Prince’s “I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man,” when we had been playing it for months! At that time, Frank Heath, the Cradle’s new and present owner, was a huge Warren Zevon fan, and drove a purple VW bug with Zevon’s face painted on the driver door (though at the time I didn’t know this was Frank’s car). I think the only reason we got asked back was we played a cover of Zevon’s “Lawyers, Guns, and Money.” It wasn’t planned at all. We developed a good relationship with Frank during the Popes:  he was always supportive of us, gave us good gigs, and he was one of the people we thanked on the EP (“Moneybags Heath”). So here’s to Warren Zevon and Frank Heath.

We later also did a killer version of Zevon’s “Bad Karma.” I always thought the Popes’ tastes in covers were really good:  “This is Where I Belong” (long before Black Francis), and “Do You Remember Walter?” by the Kinks,  the Pogues’ “Haunted,” “All Mod Cons/To Be Someone” by the Jam, the Velvet’s “Sunday Morning,” and “White Light/White Heat,”some obscure Who, the Replacements' "Valentine," even Tom Petty’s “Running Down a Dream.” We didn’t give a shit and played what we liked, and always made the songs sound like The Popes. Cheers, and thanks for your support way back when!

POPE HENRY RECALLS, pt. 2

The day after we played Schenectady NY, we had to get to Charlottesville, VA and quick. I was hung over after waking up in a girl's dorm. We stopped at McDonald's for food and beverage down the road. The woman taking my order said the grand total was "$19.11, great year".  I said "great, do you remember that year?" and she turned white. I looked pale then too, but after cokes was good for the next gig.

We played 10 days in the SE in 1989 and John kept losing weight. He was worried, and I couldn't figure it out since we were eating like kings. We doubted his fears. But I knew something was wrong when he begged for a blueberry soda in GA -- a sugar fix. We made it back home and John got his diabetes diagnosis. We were wrong and he was right. Good to know things are better today.

Probably the best gig was at the Stewart Theater at NCSU. We opened for Fetchin' Bones and played to a crazy crowd of kids. Pre-grunge + 500 folks.

Second best might be the Dickinson College gig where the stage rose up from the basement while we were playing. Crazy wild, but good. Missed Debbie Harry who was playing the next night.

Even though I have played in many bands since then, my heart is with the Popes. I am a songwriter and guitar player now, but the mix of the three of us between 1986 and 1990 was truly one of the greatest life-growing experiences of my life. They hate when I say it, but being that tight knit in a band who wants to make it makes you wives of each other. You care about the others and bitch about petty things. But fuck it, the main thing is we made great music and but for circumstances could be doing it today. I look at John and Steve as my contemporary Paul and John - whether or not I am looked as George or Ringo. I love you guys.....

HENRY PHARR RECALLS THE POPES

Part One -- some of Pope Henry's recollections about band days in Chapel Hill and elsewhere:

The first meeting I had with John and Steve was in an apartment where I played them all the Elvis, Beatles and Hendrix lines I had learned.  I really knew nothing about playing in an original music band, but wanted desperately a part of that. Steve and John looked at each other. I got a call a week later. I was in, but scared....They had written their own songs.

The recording of the Popes EP was a milestone for us all. We arrived at a rural but sophisticated studio. Steve Gronback was the producer and John Plymale was our engineer and guardian. I remember loading the equipment in and after mic check, we were told told to "play!". I Felt kind of like Beatles in the Studio with George Martin at the helm. Unlike that amazing experience, we were awkward and out of key and rhythm as well. Then Plymale said play "Not Beautiful" and everything jelled (John P's words, not mine). It really rocked and even though it was slated last on the EP, we nailed it on the first take. Per the production desk: "that's a take guys, now you are in a groove".  Marilyn, Charmless and others followed, but that was the primal moment where we really meshed and made a great song. I still remember playing on the take as if I was playing it yesterday.

Later, on the trip to Pittsburgh and West Virginia, Martin and Ted joined us for the ride. The Gig at the Electric Banana went great even though they paired us with metal bands. That night Ted broke a Popes record over my head in the woods and Steve laughed. The WVA gig was weird in its own way too. We rode thru the Blair Witch roads in the van to Bethany College. They gave us a place to stay, good food at their own pub and a premiere gig in the Student Union. Great Hospitality. However, that night the Berlin Wall came down. Literally. After Steve laughed it off, John and I got into it about the news and I remember wrestling him and a futon thru a door to get the room.

One tour we received orders from our so-called road manager to show up in Huntsville, AL for a gig. Problem was we were supposed to be in Chattanooga that night. When the mistake was realized we drove 110 miles in 90 minutes, set up and rocked the crowd. Huntsville was a breeze the next day. I got lot lost in a girl's dorm at UAH. Lava lamp and and all.

On June 12th, 1988 I spent the night convincing John to stay in the band. Things were bothering him. I remember talking until almost dawn. He stayed in thank God.

On May 25, 1990 I called my contact at Coyote records. He had promised a conference call regarding The Popes signing with the label. I dialed his number and the answering voice said he was out of town and don't call back. I hung up and while lowering the phone said "what an asshole". The phone rang again. it was the owner of Coyote saying " you bastard, you will NEVER play New York." I almost shat in my pants.

Part two, tomorrow.

guys.....